Mace Windu wins! Canon Vader loses but puts up a very good fight. Vader is above a weaker Vastor who is only above a version of Mace who is vastly inferior to 22 bby Asajj Ventress. Yet, Vader (Anakin) was always tactically gifted. 3-jedi vs sith and the rise and fall of Darth Vader. This isn't lightsaber combat lol. That's what Siths do! But I’ve done a lot of prolonged lightsaber battles over the years and I think what’s most important about any kind of confrontation is what’s riding on it. He didn't land the knockout blow cleanly or he would have been knocked out. @firelordiroh: sidious scaling acolytes scaling and Anakin scaling. The OP never specified either so it can be assumed feats from anywhere can be drawn to make a conclusion as to who wins this. But the hole in the middle while he's doing his spinning trick was basically asking for a lightsaber to go in. And he beat Maul easier than he had ever done before showing his improvement. Mace is only faster than a Vastor who was still recovering from the solar plexus shot and trying to get his wind back. So I guess Mace being unable to react to Sidious' initial attack, then getting driven back and held at blade point by Sidious, who for some reason decides not to stab through him equates to Mace stomping? By the time of ROTS they are either equal or get a slight edge over the other. His instant's distraction cost him:a dark surge of the Force nearly blew him right out of the gap he had just cut. Qui-Gon has faced a single shooter with his lightsaber and been shot. Without warning, Vastor's stalk became a lightning lunge, fingers hooked like talons, his arms sweeping wide to close on Mace once more -- but Mace wasn't there anymore. @el_mago: "Lucas himself" Ironic since Lucas claims Anakin > Vader which is G-canon so all the sources having Vader > Anakin are rendered non-canon. A clear example of this is how he humiliated Maul in Rebels, when back in the clone wars they were a straight up match. I DOUBLE DARE YOU, MOTHERFUCKER! Darth Vader beat the Emperor in the end, using one of his own tactics he witnessed decades before with Mace Windu. Darth Vader wins! Among other visions, Yoda saw a hooded figure slay Jedi Masters Agen Kolar, Saesee Tiin, and Kit Fisto in quick succession. That’s where his life went wrong. He would be stomped by early-war Ventress, much less Vader. Thirdly: besides the statement of You gotta be yoda or mace to face sidious what are other sources that put mace at the same level as palps that are backed by C canon source material? Before Vastor could even focus his eyes, Mace had hit him six times: two thundering hooks to his short ribs, a knee slamming hard into the same thigh he'd hit before, an elbow snapping up to the point of his chin, and two devastating palm strikes to either hinge of his jaw. Mace has matched a Gundark's strength and escaped from its grip in TCW which is a very impressive display of strength and force augmentation. every source states that Anakin was overwhelming Obi-wan throughout the fight. When man and machine were one, he no longer felt the absence of his legs or arms, the pain of his flesh, but the hate remained, and the rage still burned. Once Vastor was able to recover and get his senses back Mace wasn't faster than him any more. He can’t let it go.”. Vader has no scaling over Windu when he's below ROTS Anakin. The armor separated him from the galaxy, from everyone, made him singular, freed him from the needs of the flesh, the concerns of the body that once had plagued him, and allowed him to focus solely on his relationship to the Force.''. Filoni said the inspiration for the fight was Kyuzo, the master swordsman in Akira Kurosawa’s Seven Samurai, and his duel which he doesn’t want to fight because he knows it will be over quickly. SAY “WHAT” ONE … But it doesn't change my point. Still vader by the share of better scaling. Maybe he was still a bit flash-blind-the Korun Master seemed to be fading in and out of existence, half swallowed by a thickening black haze in which danced a meter-long bar of sunfire. It should be worth noting that Chewbacca is supposed to be small for his species. At a young age, his artwork got him imprisoned by those who found it disturbing and repulsive for the very materials he had employed. Palpatine also appears frequently in the comic book series Darth Vader: Dark Lord of the Sith (2017–2018), written by Kieron Gillen and Charles Soule. ", "Perhaps only Master Mace Windu equaled him in skill and reputation - though Master Windu argued that he was still but a Padawan compared to Master Yoda. Obi-Wan is at a point, in my mind, where he’s become rather enlightened. vader wins. This time, instead of ducking, Mace countered with a whirring hook that met the lor pelek's swinging arm directly on the nerve that ran up the inside of the biceps. It is a good feat but nothing suggests Vader or Dooku couldn't do something similar. Agility vs Strength. Darth Momin, also known simply as Momin, was a male Sith Lord, dark side scholar, and sculptor. For 22 years he was in lock step with Sidious and grew in power along with Sidious. regardless, The Jedi already said Vader was faster than every Jedi except Yoda. Tyrannus 1 y 5 mo 25 d . Mace has about another dozen of these quotes putting him up there with Yoda. its a novel after all,different writers takes some different approaches with certain characters and when that happens is because of giving hype to the antagonist. Maul was confirmed to be post prime by Matt Martin and the fight was short for stylistic reasons. And he uses a custom fighting style that makes him a tank. Frankly, Sidious as of ROTS can beat both Anakin and Obi-Wan at the same time. Vader, though Mace makes him work for it. Every design is as interesting as one would expect, such as Sith Luke and Obi-Wan donned in black with pale skin and dark eyes, along with redeemed and uninjured versions of Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker. If Old Ben had completed Vader's transition to the dark side, then Mace Windu certainly set it in motion. "Reality is, Shatterpoint Mace is fodder." Nothing in that quote often used to hype Ben's growth has anything to do with combative prowess, just spiritual enlightenment and growth as a character, it doesn't preclude him being past his combative prime and being "too old for this sort of thing" by ANH. I hated this stage in Battlefront 2. I don't have a stake in this debate but since I love the Vaster vs Mace fight I'm going to chime in. A respected Jedi on par with the venerable Yoda, Mace Windu was a senior member of the Jedi High Council. Vader also has no force feats that put him above Mace in both Canon and Legends and even if either has showings that put them above the other it is only by a very slight margin that wouldn't be of any importance in a fight between the two. @americanspeeddemon: Well, ill respect your opinion. Which was aimed at the kidneys. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Mace's hand sank in to the wrist, and Vastor's fighting snarl became an agonized struggle for breath. Especially if the big man is younger and more ferocious. Darth Vader #6 takes place between the events … Yes he is George Lucas stated he he above him and would have killed ROTS Sidious. and after 19 years only his lightsaber skill was diminished but his strenght in the force was quite strong to actually give fear to the dark lord of the sith, if your using resurrection as a validable mean to actually claim that then no vader grow considerably during that timeframe. "Secondly the quotes of Anakin being>>Vader refers to potential, Not actual overall power" It's actually both not just potential. Now, however, incapable of so much as breathing on his own, Vader could not rise to the challenge, and Sidious understood that he would need to do everything in his power to shake Vader out of his despair, and reawaken the incredible power within him. © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. "And? Changes nothing. Yes he does, as per George Lucas stated ROTS Suit Vader is 80% of ROTS Sidious full power. It starts to matter less and less how you swing a sword or how creatively you do it if there’s not a lot riding on it.”. And when he finds out Luke is his son, his first impulse is to figure out a way of getting him to join him to kill the Emperor. Although a lot of people consider Vader a low 9 so it depends. Mace is stated in multiple sources to be second only to Yoda in the Jedi Order at the time and his force abilities are on par. Vader has largely freed himself of pain through the Force in the years since the Battle of Yavin and, by practice with living opponents both willing and unwilling, he has advanced his lightsaber technique. Vader is above a weaker Vastor who is only above a version of Mace who is vastly inferior to 22 bby Asajj Ventress. Remember Luke actually have Vader a fight in that film despite only lifting rocks for a couple of weeks. And even hurt, lurching drunkenly, Vastor still could whip his arms in blindingly fast raking slaps at Mace's head and wounded neck. Those, he never relinquished, and he never felt more connected to the Force than when his fury burned. The akk dog suddenly lurched away from them, giving Vastor half a meter of clearance. The thrill. Lesson here, the good big man usually beats the good little man. 'Impressed yet?' But where Vastor's speed was blinding, Mace's was invisible. Anakin blinked and rubbed his eyes again. A respected Jedi with powers on par with those of the venerable Yoda, Mace Windu was a senior member of the Jedi High Council whose wisdom and judgment were legendary. Using any of these showings in an argument would be ludicrous. A slight sidestep and a weave of his head snuck him to the outside of Vastor's lunge, and his fist whipped backhand to snap Vastor in the base of the skull as he passed: a knockout blow. One was Master Yoda, who some said was the Order's true master of lightsaber combat. The Jedi Archives. Darth Vader wins! "Believed by many Jedi to be on par with Master Yoda in his skills with the lightsaber. So that isn’t what the Emperor had in mind. Mace stomps HARD. Against Mace Windu, whose entire fighting style is designed around fighting Darksiders, Anakin isn't overpowering zilch. You've got to remember how far we've come from the character when he was Anakin. Mace Windu vs Darth Vader # Mace Windu Form 7 is super effective against dark siders. Raw power is just another term for your pure power, aside from additional knowledge. ", "Mace used the Force to hurl him off and send him tumbling through the air to slam into the flank of an agitated akk dog. SW Callouts (sorry if you're mentioned twice or uninterested): @shootingnova@wollfmyth209@discipulus@emperor339@erkan12@yousufkhan1212@redheathen@thesithmaster@kiadisandwich@kiadimonday@darthant66@zapan871@azronger@darthbane77@dccomicsrules@dadivineking@jkbart@silver2467@lordofthelight@sirfizwhiz@noobsnowman@g1d3on@jackofalltrades2@i_like_swords@jeditraining101@amethystgravity@greysentinel365@killerwasp@kbroskywalker@darthfallax@ForklifterMatt@sxe619@bigsambino87@emperordmb@nfactor1995@thevivas @echostarlord117@freesid_stf123 @themuser@slayne@discipulus@richard96@slayedigneel@necromancer76@dark-sith123@killbilly@jerrah13@kurk, I think mace wins 1, but vader takes the rest. "Both Mace and Agen Kolar have said this, because they're working from the PoV that Anakin genuinely soloed Dooku" Still Anakin is supposedly = to the power he achieved in his rage amp against Dooku at that point in time which could be near Yoda. This is the one you all voted to see! In fact, Sidious would have been surprised if Anakin hadn't made an attempt. And obviously he was gaining more knowledge of the force. Not to mention Mace has said some questionable things before as well like Depa being a better duelist than him. Vaapad vs Djem So. Nearly equal in power and respect to the great Jedi Master Yoda, Mace Windu was a longtime member of the Jedi Council, and one of its staunchest supporters. Sidious views Vader>Amp Dooku>Base Dooku. "gillard/lucas tiering system this refers to pre suit Vader being a tier 9 mace is only 8 bordering nine" Mace was stated as a 9 during the Making of Revenge of the Sith as well which was under Lucas's jurisdiction. "4-lucas 2005 commentary rolling stones the cult of Vader interview" Where Lucas litereally states that Vader was on Dooku or Mauls level. 'Let's see the impression my boot makes on your face.' Kar runs away as Mace initially continues to pummel him into oblivion before eventually allowing him to seemingly flee: "Vastor howled in pain and raging disbelief, falling back against the akk dog's flank once more, twisting and turning to try to find some way to avoid the Jedi's flashing hands. Darth Vader: (still reeling) Yes. He wanted this really super guy, but that got derailed by Obi-Wan. Resurrection is a 48-page comic story that appeared in Star Wars Tales 9 and collected in Star Wars Tales Volume 3. Trying to deny its effectiveness against Vader would be ignorance and false. The character is a primary antagonist in the original trilogy and a primary protagonist in the prequel trilogy. Mace tried to land a punch to the base of the skull; a very dangerous place and quite illegal in marital arts tournaments, but Vastor saw it coming and rolled with it, taking the sting off the punch. "Anakin s scaling favors Windu" no Vader is confirmed by a dozen of OUU quotes to be>>>Rots Anakin in mace s case doesnt favor him that much considering Skywalker was already superior to him by that timeframe confirmed by gillard and Lucas himself, Not exactly besides the fight of episode 3 that tends to get misunderstood quite a Lot,in other aspect the sith lord have also quotes of him being a menace to sidious right after episode 3 and being as formidable as the latter by the time of ESB, Disney/Marvel showing his enormous "respect" for Mace Windu, In a trailer of 2 minutes of Clone wars, Windu appears less than 1 second in a scene with Obi wan. Obi-wan did well against Anakin because Anakin was mentally unbalance. It was only short for stylistic reasons not because post prime Maul is in post prime Kenobi’s stomping range. 'This is called Vaapad, Kar.' The fact that Sidious acknowledges Vader as his most powerful Apprentice ever. Twin Suns was WIS+CIS. He wasn't what he was supposed to become. The official Instagram page for Star Wars has recently teased the return of Samuel L. Jackson as Mace Windu in the near future. Grievous's punches dent starfighter hulls and we have seen Vader punch people before. Posts about Mace Windu written by chan. Mace Windu vs Darth Vader # Mace Windu I'm surprised it's 50/50. … EU can go either way. Vastor threw the other even harder -- which only made the inside of that arm connect that much harder with Mace's counterhook. "2-fact file of the Empire strikes back that puts him as formidable as him" As formidable as who? Mace has said a lot of questionable things in the past. 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