I truly believe that upon being placed in that suit that Vader's growth was ended and he simply became a ball of rage, while Revan had mastered both the peace of the light side and the rage of the dark side, allowing him to perfectly tap into both sides of the force. And Revan was taken out by a random group of Sith Empire (which you could say … or getting wrecked by a bunch of tier 3 or less force users and non force users in the shadow of revan expansion ? Legends Revan is pretty badass, but some of his most badass feats are comparable to Vader. Vader's abilities with the force were strong and may of been some of the strongest combat wise we have ever seen. So he failed at doing something he never tried (In the case of Scourge and Meetra).What a revolutionary observement. His Valkorian incarnation may very well be an equal but Vitiate in a weakened state wasn't even capable of breathing through The Hero of Tython's defenses. Whereas Vader bowed to Darth Sidious, Darth Revan was so powerful that he bowed to no one, becoming the sole leader of the Sith. Vader isn't "close" to revan. INB4 Novel Vitiate is weaksauce and so is Novel Revan.Even though he has better feats than Yoda and Sidious as per Ritual of Nathema. You mentioned vitiate losing to HoT. And beneath the formless terrors lurked the unbearable Void, the pure emptiness of total annihilation.". What are Vitiate's feats that put him as an equal to Sidious? Where the heck does it state Revan is more powerful then Karness Muur? Dark Times Vader after having encountered the Muur Talisman takes Galen Marek as his apprentice to overthrow Sidious with and is constantly seeking out ways to overthrow his master. Vader is in the same category as Malak; a useful and ruthless enforcer, but doesn't have either the charisma or the military skill to fill in. Vitiate was not wary, that's the point. No. Darth Revan, Darth Sidious, and Darth Caedus were confirmed … It specifically states a fight between Revan and the team could have gone either way. It's not like he had prep or anything. While your logic is faulty the result is true. The fact that Vader's suit is insulated and has taken far more powerful lightning from Starkiller. Vader wouldn't stand a chance against a Sidious tier opponent like Vitiate on his best days while Revan not at his best was capable of beating Vitiate. The touch lasted less than a second, but in that time he witnessed indescribable horrors that dwarfed anything the dark side could conjure even in his worst nightmares. you can't just say revan is so much more skilled than vader and not say why. Also he never used tutaminis against Vitiate's lightning. and whats to stop vader ragdolling revan ? Apparently Scourge was confident enough that Revan couldn't defeat Vitiate even with their help that he was willing to wait hundreds of years and let a war that likely killed billions if not trillions of beings to ensure Vitiate's death at the hands of the Hero of Tython. @jackofalltrades2: @nfactor1995: jack isn't wrong. So it's not DARTH Revan then. Also about Karness Muur and Vader, its obvious from context I forgot to add alone about Vader facing Sidious. In universe, Vader is the boogeyman of the Rebellion. For some reason you believe that Old Republic characters are vastly superior to PT characters and quite frankly that's just not the case. Except sidious. If they had been victorious it would have been due to the team's effort. I truly believe that upon being placed in that suit that Vader's growth was ended and he simply became a ball of rage, while Revan had mastered both the peace of the light side and the rage of the dark side, allowing him to perfectly tap into both sides of the force. And neither are his Lightsaber skills. Darth Vader cannot match this. Might give a slight edge to Vader. 0 wins (0%) Darth Vader (JFO) Anakin Skywalker. @azronger: marek is waaay inferior to revan. And could you please explain how two characters who got punked by Nyriss would prove relevant against Vitiate? Vader ragdolled Starkiller, yet Vitiate failed to ragdoll Revan. save. @jackofalltrades2: Because in the fight itself they showed they were capable of impacting its outcome. @jackofalltrades2: @noah_ouellette: Revan contending with novel Vitiate would be as impressive as you make it sound if Vitiate himself had more feats than rituals which cannot be used in combat. A Sith Lady named Darth Shaa freed him, claiming Momin as her Sith apprentice and trained him in the dark side of the Force. Vader's abilities with the force were strong and may of been some of the strongest combat wise we have ever seen. Meetra saving Revan's life. WINNER: DARTH VADER. So he finds that, with Luke, he can get a more primo version if he can turn Luke to the Dark Side. Revan led the team to fight Vitiate. Besides, Revan is drugged in the novel, so I'm assuming he is in this battle (unless we're not using Revan reborn), and I wouldn't say knocking Vitiate off his feat, then later being fried by Vitiate's lightning, is enough to suggest that this Revan would beat Vader for a majority. And since they view abusing the force as dishonorable, it had to have been in combat. I think it would be a good fight either way. Darth Vader gets the edge. Given he always saw himself as the superior in his and Galen's relationship that would heavily imply he believed that he could defeat the Emperor with a comparably powerful ally at his side by that point. Hope you enjoy this live action Darth Revan vs Darth Vader! So his ability to be twice as good as the Emperor disappeared, and now he’s maybe 20 percent less than him. uStats. revan is fucking UNSTOPPABLE. in rebels he easily lifted two AT ST's with one hand and in the marvel comics [he destroyed an AT AT with ease] (http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11115/111155790/4380317-0082750926-43734.png) what can revan do with the force that vader will have any trouble dealing with ? Like Vader, Darth Revan started as a Jedi Knight, being the most powerful Jedi of the time, before switching over to the Dark Side of the Force, becoming an unstoppable Sith who practically purged the galaxy of his enemies. best. They're pretty even. It had been too vivid, the details too sharp and precise to be a figment manifested by his subconscious. why are you assuming against vader he's have some trump card that would over come all revan massive disadvantages. Random encounter on Death Star. (Considering how Dark Times Vader is nowhere near Sidious,and Vader himself believes he'll simply trade a master for another.). Round 2: Force only. power stats. He tanks an enraged star killers lightening for about a minute and that guy was able to instantly incinerate 3 storm troopers with his lightening, Edit:autocorrect changed feats to dead for some reason. Read the OP. Vader only ever uses full frontal, brute force tactics because he is sure of victory. Also, the suit actually helped Vader control his emotions since he realized that they were a really big weakness that he had. This means Karness Muur posesses a huge of fraction of ROTJ Vader's power and is certainly within his tier.Quite possibly he is ROTJ Vader's equal,although I have Vader superiour. It's like saying because obi wan is nowhere near as powerful as sidious he cant beat maul. Revan contending with novel Vitiate would be as impressive as you make it sound if Vitiate himself had more feats than rituals which cannot be used in combat. 2) The same. In others, he had transformed the entire galaxy into an empty wasteland. Darth Vader (JFO) Darth Revan. And what is known is that Revan tells them he's going to teach them a technique to defend from Vitiate's mental attacks and then Vitiate is unable to successfully down any of the team with TP. @darkdefender: The game says he was. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. @ffp: Going by feats and showings that's simply not true. he wouldn't underestimate Vader and thus he wouldn't allow Vader to get an edge on him. Yes Revan is a powerful force user, but Vader is the second strongest sith lord (becoming 80% of sidious). It gave him super human strength and created an atmosphere of fear around him. He had to choose, but there was no way to know which was the most likely outcome, or what actions of his would lead to which results. @darkdefender: Also on a point jack didnt mention. Marek broke through Vader's telekinetic defenses in TFU and in TFUII he allows himself to be disarmed to get Vader to lower his guard. 51 comments. He sensed Bastila's shock at the jedi's right arm or rather the stump where his hand used to be. Marek is many times inferior to revan. Both 20 feet apart. Why do you think you can use Karness Murr for comparison? His force power isn't close even with EU feats. You'll have to look for it.Vitiate charges up his TK and unleashes on Revan who tanks it without problem. Old skool meets new skool as the young pups vader and sid try to take down the old guns of kotor#kotor #starwarsfight #rotj #lordvader#episode6 #lordsidious But Vader... Vader is in a league of his own. Tough one for me, but tbh, Revan is my guy, even though Vader is awesome. The experience lacked the hazy, surreal feel of a dream. Yeah people wank revan but don't put him beneath PT characters who lack the feats to contend. But he would have drained Revan, Meetra and Scourge if he was capable of doing so successfully especially if you're trying to say that was his strongest ability. Revan had said visions could guide the Jedi, but for Scourge they brought nothing but confusion. No light-sabers. Press J to jump to the feed. Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube. The entire conflict between Luke and Vader is that Vader wants Luke to turn to the Dark Side so they can overthrow Palpatine. Darth Revan is one of the most popular Star Wars characters to come out of the many video games based on the franchise.First introduced in the critically acclaimed Knights of the Old Republic, Revan instantly made an impression on Star Wars fans everywhere.Silent protagonists don’t usually pick up as much steam as Revan did, but he was strong enough of a character with an … And even if he was what does that have to do with Vitiate's fight with the strike team? He couldn't even outmaneuver a Old Obi Wan. Vitiate=Sidious by feats. IIRC, Revan had no issue cutting down other force users who would have been masters of the forms, if the forms existed at time of publishing. This is a clusterfuck of the English language, but I believe we're in agreement that Vader wins in both dueling and force abilities...? As for cutscenes I don't have a specified stance on them but if it's not supported by the other versions I'm honestly rather skeptical about their validity. In fact she was the main reason they did as well against Bane as they did. Because in the fight itself they showed they were capable of impacting its outcome. I counter everything you've said below this paragragh but first just read my break down of how they compare to each other in a fight. Why are you ignoring the text which clearly mentions Revan and Revan alone? experience really doesn't count for much at all in star wars darth bane got in about half a dozen proper fights in his life yet he's one of the most powerful and skilled force users ever. Lightsaber duelists/martial artists: Both are very noble duelist and have proficiency if not mastery in all lightsaber forms. killing a featless non force user (mandalore the ultimate) getting stomped by two none force users and two sith nowhere near their full potential in the foundary ? What are referring to? HoT was immune to vitiates life drain. @azronger: No one from force unleashed is any threat to revan. And in the revan novel it specifically states the fight between revan and vitiate couldve gone either way. For hundreds of years, Darth Revan tore through his enemies with ease. Except Scourge and Meetra wouldn't matter against a wary Vitiate.One finger flick and they would be gone.It seems you dont realize how far above Nyriss Vitiate is. Instead of complaining about my views how about coming up with counters. While Vader did lose access his full potential after the suit, George Lucas: “Anakin, as Skywalker, as a human being, was going to be extremely powerful,” he says. The team was present. Vader “focused solely and sightlessly on his will” “to defeat the evil embodied in the Emperor” while “ignoring” everything else, meaning that he was focusing all his energy into killing the Emperor rather than defending from his attack with a proper Force defense unlike Revan, which is made all the more clear by their brachial positions: Revan’s being an overt sign of tutaminsis while Vader’s … *Morals are off, no prep, standard equipment, both want to kill each other, *Revan during the Revan novel and RotJ Vader. Chapter 1: Vader vs Revan Timeline: The end of ESB Reavn walked toward the huge sith lord in a slow stride. Civil war revan? The suit constricted Vader's movements and made him less agile. What Revan taught or did not is not specified nor mentioned. Revan is far to wise and skilled to be defeated by Vader, he wouldn't underestimate Vader and thus he wouldn't allow Vader to get an edge on him. Suit is insulated and has taken far more powerful as Sidious he cant maul. 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